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Card-by-Yankees Card: 1977 Topps - Joe Niekro (Article 22)

by Paul Semendinger

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Together Joe Niekro and his brother Phil amassed 539 wins in the big leagues. That is more than any other brother combination in Major League history. The Niekro brothers are baseball’s winningest brothers.


Joe won 221 of those games, a bit less than his Hall-of-Fame brother Phil who won 318, but 221 wins is still a significant and impressive number.


Only 77 pitchers in the history of baseball won more games than Joe Niekro.


Of those 77 pitchers, twenty-two pitched for the Yankees at one time or another in their career:


  • Catfish Hunter – 224 wins

  • Luis Tiant & Sad Sam Jones – 229 wins

  • Whitey Ford – 236 wins

  • Waite Hoyt and Clark Griffith – 237 wins

  • David Wells – 239 wins

  • Frank Tanana – 240 wins

  • Herb Pennock – 241 wins

  • Jack Quinn and Bartolo Colon – 247 wins

  • C.C. Sabathia – 251 wins

  • Andy Pettitte – 256 wins

  • Mike Mussina and Burleigh Grimes – 270 wins

  • Red Ruffing – 273 wins

  • Jim Kaat – 283 wins

  • Tommy John – 288 wins

  • Randy Johnson – 303 wins

  • Gaylord Perry – 314 wins

  • Phil Niekro – 318 wins

  • Roger Clemens – 354 wins


Unfortunately for Joe Niekro (and the Yankees) his tenure with the Yankees (from 1985 to 1987) wasn’t all that successful. Joe went 14-15, 4.58 as a Yankee.


The novelty of having Joe on the team was that his brother was also pitching for the Yankees.


Joe talked with brother Phil on the mound when Phil won his 300th game. If nothing else it made good theater. In the end, acquiring Joe Niekro wasn’t a move that helped the Yankees.


It seemed there were times when the Yankees made trades just to make trades – sometimes more for the story than for good baseball reasons. Trading for Joe Niekro was one of those times.


The pitcher the Yankees gave up to get Joe Niekro was Jim Deshaies who went on to have a pretty good career. Deshaies was 25 at the time of the trade. Niekro was 40. That was a trade that made no sense. None. The Yankees traded a 25-year old lefty pitcher for a 40-year old righty.


In 1986, Joe Niekro went 8-9 for the Yankees. That same year, Jim Deshaies went 12-5 for the Astros. The Yankees won 90 games that year, finishing in second place 5.5 games out. People like to talk about how the Yankees weren’t that good in the 1980s and that it was all their spending that hurt the team. A counter argument to that narrative is that if the Yankees just made a few fewer bad trades that made no sense (Jerry Mumphrey for Omar Moreno / Jim Deshaies for Joe Niekro – to name the most recent two we have talked about in this series) they would have been better poised to compete and just might have won a few pennants in that decade.


In 1986, Jerry Mumphrey batted .304 for the Cubs. With just Mumphrey and Deshaies in 1986, the Yankees might have been able to close the gap and win the pennant. Who knows?

On June 7, 1987 the Yankees traded Joe Niekro to the Minnesota Twins for catcher Mark Salas. Niekro would pitch in just 24 more games for the remainder of his career. Jim Deshaies appeared in 255 games after the Yankees traded him.


The Niekro for Deshaies trade was one of the worst the Yankees made in the 1980s - and a case can be made that it was one of the worst ever.


Mark Salas, the catcher the Yankees acquired for Joe Niekro, played in all of 50 games for the Yankees, all in 1987. In that period, the Yankees seemed to desire having a left-handed power-hitting catcher. The problem was whichever one they had, they weren’t satisfied with him. My favorite example of this is Ron Hassey (a left-handed power-hitting catcher) who was traded between the Yankees and the White Sox four times in the 1980’s:


  1. December 4, 1984 – Hassey traded from the White Sox to the Yankees

  2. December 12, 1985 – Hassey traded from the Yankees to the White Sox

  3. February 13, 1986 – Hassey traded from the White Sox to the Yankees

  4. July 30, 1986 – Hassey traded from the Yankees to the White Sox


To close, I’ll share one more Joe Niekro stat that I really love..


Joe was a very good pitcher, but he was the lesser pitcher of the two Niekro brothers. His brother, Phil, of course, is in the Hall-of-Fame. On Baseball-Reference’s list of the most similar pitchers to Joe Niekro (the seventh most similar pitcher to Joe Niekro) is Jim Perry, a very good pitcher who was the lesser of the Perry bothers. Jim Perry’s brother, Gaylord, is, of course, in the Baseball Hall-of-Fame.


Ok, one more – in his age 38 season, the pitcher Joe Niekro was most similar to was… his brother Phil.

5 Comments


Paul Semendinger
Paul Semendinger
Jul 12

I understand the argument with WAR, but then there is the reality of the games. WAR is a great stat, but it doesn't (it can't) tell everything.


If the Yankees are within a game or two, does a player who was getting a day off, play instead and go 3-for-3?


If the team is within a game or two, does the manager manage differently?


Does the GM make another trade?


The possibilities are endless.


You can't take the human equation out of the discussion.


In 1986, after pitching 8 innings on June 4 (a win) and then 6.2 innings on June 10, Joe Niekro made 12 more starts for the team. He never gave the team 6 innings. He pitch…


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Robert Malchman
Robert Malchman
Jul 11

1986 WAR: J. Niekro -0.6; Moreno 0 (had been released in '85; was -1.4 for Atlanta in 1986); DeShaies 1.6; Mumphrey 0.0. So those two trades would have improved the Yankees by 2.2 wins, not even half what they needed to tie the Red Sox that year.


I also took a look at 1985, when the Yankees finished only 2.0 GB. Post-trades, J. Niekro -0.2; Moreno 0.4; DeShaies 0.2; Mumphrey 0.9. Net was a loss of 0.9 wins, so without those trades, the Yankees still would have finished behind Toronto, 1.0 GB.

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yankeesblog
Jul 11
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Apparently there is a fairly strong correlation between WAR and the actual record. I stand corrected.

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Jeff Korell
Jeff Korell
Jul 11

Joe Niekro threw more than a knuckleball. In a game against the Angels in Anaheim, umpire Tim Tschida told Joe Niekro to empty his pockets. Niekro reached into his pockets, pulled out his hands and threw them in the air. An emery board and a piece of sandpaper flew out of his pocket. Niekro was subsequently ejected from that game, and suspended for 10 games, as a result.

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