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40.1+ WAR: A Fun List

Writer's picture: Paul SemendingerPaul Semendinger

by Paul Semendinger

December 15, 2024

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The more I think about the Hall of Fame, the more I am for opening the doors to more players. This is the place where baseball players are most remembered and become timeless. There are a host of baseball legends who are not in the Hall of Fame. There used to be high standards that were, for the most part, followed. Then, time after time, players without the traditional counting stats or even the newer stats are getting into the Hall. This includes Harold Baines and Dave Parker. Once players who traditionally weren't Hall of Fame worthy get in, the argument to keep others out becomes significantly weaker.


I know the counter to this line of thinking, "Just because Player X got in, and was a mistake, that doesn't mean the Hall should make more mistakes going forward." I get it. I really do.


But there's another side to that, if Player Z was better than Player X, and Player X is in, it is unfair to Player Z that he also isn't in.


I was a huge Dave Parker fans as a kid. I've shared that fact numerous times. I'm glad, for him, that he's in the Hall of Fame, but, he accumulated only 40.1 WAR in his career. He's far below the typical Hall of Fame standard of 60.0 WAR. He's not even close. (For those who love counting stats and want to argue, "WAR isn't everything..." First, I agree, WAR isn't everything. Second, Parker didn't bat .300, didn't hit 350 homers, didn't have 1,500 runs batted in, and he also didn't have even 2,800 hits. He falls short again and again by every measure.)


Parker was, though, a significant player for a short period (similar to Don Mattingly in many respects, though Mattingly was never on a World Series winning team).


Here, for fun, (note the words "for fun") is a list of current and former Yankees (I think I got them all) whose career WAR was higher than Parker's and are not (yet) in the Hall of Fame. I'm not saying all these players belong in the Hall of Fame. I am saying, for their careers, they out-performed Parker by this one measure. It's an interesting list.


I'm happy to discuss these players, and all of that, but please, in the comments, let's not get into the PED debate here. That discussion will distract from the bigger point and monopolize the discussion. We've had that discussion a million times and I am sure a million more times in other articles. For here, let's just focus on this list:


  • Andy Messersmith - 40.2

  • Virgil Trucks - 40.4

  • David Justice - 40.6

  • Gil McDougald - 40.7

  • Bob Friend - 40.8

  • Sam McDowell - 41.8

  • John Candelaria - 41.9

  • Darryl Strawberry - 42.1

  • Felipe Alou - 42.2

  • Don Mattingly - 42.4

  • Jose Canseco - 42.4

  • Jorge Posada - 42.7

  • Sad Sam Jones - 42.7

  • Ben Chapman - 42.7

  • Mel Stottlemyre - 43.1

  • Gerrit Cole - 43.3

  • Charlie Keller - 43.6

  • Brett Gardner - 44.3

  • Troy Tulowitzki - 44.5

  • Matt Holliday - 44.5

  • Chuck Knoblauch - 44.6

  • Giancarlo Stanton - 44.7

  • Dixie Walker - 44.9

  • Rocky Colavito - 44.9

  • Tony Fernandez - 45.3

  • Roger Peckinpaugh - 45.5

  • Javier Vasquez - 45.6

  • Del Pratt - 45.6

  • Thurman Munson - 46.1

  • Roy White - 46.8

  • Hippo Vaughn - 46.8

  • Bob Shawkey - 47.1

  • Curtis Granderson - 47.2

  • Bobo Newsom - 47.8

  • Ron Guidry - 47.8

  • Wally Schang - 48.0

  • Bobby Veach - 48.1

  • Jimmy Key - 48.9

  • Andrew McCutchen - 49.3

  • Bernie Williams - 49.6

  • Kenny Rogers - 50.5

  • Jason Giambi - 50.5

  • Mark Teixeira - 50.6

  • Al Orth - 51.3

  • Carl Mays - 51.3

  • Toby Harrah - 51.5

  • Lance Berkman - 51.9

  • Aaron Judge - 52.2

  • Dwight Gooden - 53.0

  • Bert Campaneris - 53.0

  • Jack Clark - 53.1

  • David Wells - 53.5

  • Jose Cruz - 54.4

  • Jack Powell - 55.3

  • Jim Wynn - 55.8

  • Robin Ventura - 56.1

  • Johnny Damon - 56.3

  • Frank Tanana - 57.1

  • Bobby Bonds - 57.8

  • John Olerud - 58.2

  • Jack Quinn - 58.7

  • Urban Shocker - 59.0

  • Andy Pettite - 60.2

  • Bobby Abreu - 60.2

  • Gary Sheffield - 60.5

  • Tommy John - 61.6

  • David Cone - 62.3

  • Andruw Jones - 62.7

  • Willie Randolph - 65.9

  • Luis Tiant - 66.1

  • Kevin Brown - 67.8

  • Graig Nettles - 67.9

  • Kenny Lofton - 68.4

  • Rick Reuschel - 69.5

  • Alex Rodriguez - 117.6

  • Roger Clemens - 139.2

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Robert Malchman
Robert Malchman
Dec 16, 2024

I disagree with the premise of opening the flood gates to people "better than Parker," or "better than Baines." Indeed, I'd like to see fewer players in the Hall of Fame by cleaning out the deadwood and mistakes. Make every HOF'er subject to a retention majority vote ever 30, or 40, or 50 years. Now that would generate fan interest. And how good would it feel to see the likes of Rabbit Maranville and Rick Ferrell ceremoniously dumped and relegated to the scrap heap of history they richly deserve?

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mikemarinelli54
Dec 15, 2024

Sometimes the folly of relying solely on WAR is exposed. Rick Reuschel? Kevin Brown? Really?

Imo, Clemens and Arod are HoF’ers peds or no peds. But I understand both sides of the argument.

Can make a case for several including Munson, John, Pettitte and Jones.

But, imo the glaring omission is Nettles. He compares favorably with 3rd basemen already enshrined. He was a dominant force with both bat and glove for many years and for multiple champions. It’s past time.

And about that plaque In the Valley…

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fuster
Dec 16, 2024
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when I think of the idea of a hall of fame, I get a picture of people who performed at a transcendent level, did things never done before or things but rarely done.


guys who performed at a level that was better than average, and did it for 12 or 14 years, don't impress me as having achieved "FAME".

they deserve to be remembered as being team leaders and local standard-bearers,

as being the best players on teams that struggled and might have been regarded as mediocre, maybe less than memorable, but for their best player.


but such players don't impress themselves upon me as having reached the point of enshrinement.... as having won great national regard.


when I was…


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yankeerudy
Dec 15, 2024

There are lots of solid names on here, but most don't strike me as being Hall worthy. I suppose that just underscores my impression that Parker shouldn't have been voted in.

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